tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post1707318804162771095..comments2024-02-20T09:54:37.105-06:00Comments on Talking About Ritual Magick: Evocation - Art of Spirit ExteriorizationFrater.Barrabbashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11689013897789072360noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-8526060740047164202011-06-06T16:52:51.538-05:002011-06-06T16:52:51.538-05:00@Ananael Qaa - I guess I am differentiating betwee...@Ananael Qaa - I guess I am differentiating between an implicit and an explicit evocation. An implicit evocation occurs whenever I work element or planetary magick. <br /><br />The Gate of Revealing ritual is set up for an explicit evocation - one that deliberately extracts a spirit from its domain and funnels it into the domain of the magician for a specific purpose. <br /><br />I have found that the Angelic Ruler of the Decan is best used for this process of explicit evocation, not to mention all of its associated spirit servitors, such as the ha-Shem angels and the goetic demons. <br /><br />We should talk more about this when next we meet. I think much would be learned and revealed by discussing our different methods and approaches.Frater.Barrabbashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11689013897789072360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-67609980569722982402011-06-06T16:14:02.013-05:002011-06-06T16:14:02.013-05:00So you would consider working with the planetary i...So you would consider working with the planetary intelligences and spirits planetary magick <i>rather than</i> evocation? I guess we must be using the term more differently than I thought. As I see it, calling an Intelligence and Spirit into a containment structure and then sending them out to accomplish a particular task is both planetary magick and evocation.<br /><br />If you're confining your definitions to mystical work, I would agree with you that invocation is a more efficient method for obtaining realization. There's not much point in evoking a spirit and then charging it to act upon your consciousness when you can just invoke it and have it do the same thing. My usual method of working is to invoke for mystical results and evoke for magical ones.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-75730545764868930502011-06-06T12:15:39.370-05:002011-06-06T12:15:39.370-05:00@Ananael Qaa - Thanks for your comments. We do hav...@Ananael Qaa - Thanks for your comments. We do have different approaches for doing this kind of work. Keep in mind that I work through a foundational process of immersion, which doesn't allow me to easily isolate whatever I happen to invoke or evoke. <br /><br />As for making things happen in the material world, I have found that elementals and planetary magick are much more effective, even if a spirit is involved in that working. I don't consider those kinds of workings to be analogous to the working of invoking and evoking a high level spirit (or even a demon, for that matter). Gnosis and inner psychological changes, as well as a mental form of learning and realization, seem to be what I reserve invocation and evocation workings for my magick. For the most part, invocations appear to give everything that I am seeking from these workings.Frater.Barrabbashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11689013897789072360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-55619067612649585712011-06-06T10:40:16.501-05:002011-06-06T10:40:16.501-05:00It's good to see the functional definition of ...It's good to see the functional definition of invocation and evocation getting out there. While it's true that invoking hostile spirits such as demons is generally a bad idea, I evoke angelic spirits all the time to perform particular tasks.<br /><br />It sounds like my personal approach to evocation is a little different than yours, in that I think magicians should always work from both mystical and magical perspectives at the same time. In other words, rather than performing most of your rituals towards gnosis, I think you should also work at transforming the world in which you live and work in such a way that it becomes more and more conducive to that realization by providing you with more time, resources, and overall fulfillment.<br /><br />The technical method outlined here is much more elaborate than mine. In general it follows the same basic steps, but there are a couple of points that are at odds with my experience.<br /><br />(1) I've found that the influence of the spirit does not necessarily transmit through the personal consciousness of the magician. It may also be sent along a magical link to an external target. This is the one of the main reasons one uses a containment structure such as the Sigillum Dei Aemeth or Goetic triangle.<br /><br />(2) I've never needed to perform additional magical work such as masses for the spirits I summon in order to keep them working and on task.<br /><br />(3) I give the License to Depart at the conclusion of my ceremonies and then close with a microcosmic banishing only. This allows the spell to work without my needing to pay constant attention to it until the specified time limit has been reached.<br /><br />Some of these points are probably due to specific technical differences between our methods, and without more involved analysis and empirical experimentation it's hard to say what those key differences might be. Regardless, it's good to see such a detailed breakdown of what you've found to work well in your own practice.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.com