tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post9220889281428527740..comments2024-02-20T09:54:37.105-06:00Comments on Talking About Ritual Magick: What Is A Core Discipline?Frater.Barrabbashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11689013897789072360noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-89114010665082678252010-04-02T14:03:18.400-05:002010-04-02T14:03:18.400-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-31053498097534993102010-04-02T13:57:02.823-05:002010-04-02T13:57:02.823-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-62028783014435407762010-04-01T16:44:36.913-05:002010-04-01T16:44:36.913-05:00Wow, I agree with you Frater Barrabbas, for the mo...Wow, I agree with you Frater Barrabbas, for the most part :). Now the definition of Godhead can be kind of tricky and differing amongst various people, but I agree on the concept of it being extremely important. I would most definitely 100% agree that oneness with Godhead is a discipline as it does take work, or would that be lack of work? ;) I find it to be a discipline though. Now the question is if it can be done without meditation at the same time?A magicians travelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03127768411990880083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-39242342022951562992010-04-01T16:11:35.102-05:002010-04-01T16:11:35.102-05:00@Jason - well, there's lots of irony today, si...@Jason - well, there's lots of irony today, since it is the fool's holiday! As I said, I just responded to your impassioned second to last sentence - that's all. And yes, we are actually quite close in our opinions and probably our practices. I do both admire and respect you, so it's not that I have an axe to grind. Often times the last thing that you say to a group in the most impassioned manner can have the greatest impact. Would you like a clarification from me posted to my blog?Frater.Barrabbashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11689013897789072360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-54607658107966602842010-04-01T15:53:06.470-05:002010-04-01T15:53:06.470-05:00The great irony is that as far as your own points,...The great irony is that as far as your own points, we are not in disagreement at all. I agree with every one of them. Other than the statements that you claim I make.Jason Miller,https://www.blogger.com/profile/03034226672257024583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-31820784446728900662010-04-01T15:29:13.281-05:002010-04-01T15:29:13.281-05:00First, I should not have gone so far as to take of...First, I should not have gone so far as to take offence. I just don't like it when people put words in my mouth or mis-characterize what I say. I always let it go unanswered in book reviews (such as the guy who was upset that I didn't have anything about energy shields in P&R M, when in reality I have a whole section on it.) but not in the blogosphere<br /><br />Tibetan Buddhism is certainly not what the Buddha taught, but neither is anything else. People that claim to represent the exact teachings of the Buddha are usually Theravadists who point out that Mahayana developed later. They conveniently forget the Mahasanghikas and the split between them are Shariputras crew. They also present Pali Suttas as if they were the words of the Buddha, they were written much later. The Buddha did not speak Pali, he spoke Mughadi. Read Edward Conze for a different take on what the Buddha probably thought about magic.<br /><br />The whole point is ridiculous anyway because no matter what the Buddha taught, in todays world there are ooldes of Buddhist magicians in Tibetan, Japan, India, Mongolia, Bhutan, Thailand, and a host of other places. All of which might have pictures of the historical Buddha. <br /><br />Now, in your post you claim that I state that Meditation is the core discipline of magic. This is not correct. I did not say it. I said it is one of the core disciplines of my system of doing things AND that i value it above all others. This is very different than saying that it is the core discipline of magic itself.<br /><br />You than go on say "If I were to use Jason’s analogy then and be forced to reduce all of my practices to one thing". This would indicate that I think magic should be the ONLY thing one practices which is just asinine, since my blog is about Sorcery! This IS mis-characterization. <br /><br />In my post I went out of my way to note that it is NOT necessary to meditate in order to do magic, and that most of the worlds magicians DO NOT meditate. Your post treats mine as if I was trying to say the opposite. <br /><br />Lastly, Frater R.O. and I are not in much disagreement at all. In his original post he indicated that communing with angels was a substitute for meditation. My post was aimed at refuting the treatment of other disciplines as if they were a stand in for meditation. In his most recent post, he backs off or further clarifies his position, and we are pretty much in agreement. <br /><br />I appreciate your reading my work, and that you like it in general. I actually like it when people disagree with me and want to flesh it out. The art is furthered by such exchanges. But if you are going to do it, than actually read what I wrote and understand it. Do not claim that I make statements that I don't make.Jason Miller,https://www.blogger.com/profile/03034226672257024583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-14183703421646998592010-04-01T13:43:15.447-05:002010-04-01T13:43:15.447-05:00"I am quite serious when I state in my books ..."I am quite serious when I state in my books that I would give up every scap of arcana, every spell, every ritual, every energetic manipulation and astral venture for the practice of meditation."<br /><br />This is not saying that meditation is a core discipline of magic(k). Rather, it's a statement of the author's personal preference, that he'd rather practice meditation than magic.Monsignor Scott Rassbachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11685549734111626335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-65431444802963068502010-04-01T13:19:29.156-05:002010-04-01T13:19:29.156-05:00My point was to rebut this statement made by Jason...My point was to rebut this statement made by Jason. How else could it be construed other than his core practice is meditation? <br /><br />"I am quite serious when I state in my books that I would give up every scap of arcana, every spell, every ritual, every energetic manipulation and astral venture for the practice of meditation."<br /><br />I'll let the public be my judge.Frater.Barrabbashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11689013897789072360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-12310322629235544942010-04-01T12:50:53.693-05:002010-04-01T12:50:53.693-05:00@Jason - Pace! (Peace).
I was not mischaracteriz...@Jason - Pace! (Peace). <br /><br />I was not mischaracterizing you or your blog, I only sought to make a distinction and a clarification between your point and my own. Also, seeking union with the Godhead is the "core" of the discipline of the kind of magick that I work. Of course, that is just my opinion, nothing more. <br /><br />I have neither insulted you nor intended any insult. I have a great deal of respect for you and your writings, which I obviously read with great relish. If I seek to diverge from your statements that you wrote in your blog, but over all agree with you, that's not any form of character assassination. Also, Tibetan Buddhism is not at all like traditional Buddhism. It is, in fact, more similar to the Indian system of Tantra that I work with. So the traditional Buddha would not have agreed with a practice of magick - or Tantra for that matter. (See the book "What the Buddha Taught" by Walpola Rahula)<br /><br />Nothing got into me, my dear sir. Your friend Rufus Opus of "Head for the Red" also disagrees with your blog. This is just simply a matter of different opinions and perspectives. Nothing more. If you are going to write books and blogs and state your opinions in public, be prepared for differences of opinion - and be open and respectful of those who may disagree with you.<br /><br />If you are upset at what I wrote, then I humbly apologize, for that was not what I intended with my blog article. <br /><br />With High Regards - <br /><br />Frater BarrabbasFrater.Barrabbashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11689013897789072360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-14848736644936954542010-04-01T12:27:07.791-05:002010-04-01T12:27:07.791-05:00Would Christian mystics be upset at your desire fo...Would Christian mystics be upset at your desire for union with godhead? That is what they were ALL ABOUT. Might they have questioned your methods? Probably as they would mine. But I brought them up to show that meditation was not this eastern thing.<br /><br />Since the branch of Buddhism that I belong to, Vajrayana, specializes in RITUAL MAGIC as part of the path, I think your comments about the Buddha are pretty unfounded. <br /><br />I have read your blog in the past. You are not a moron. What the hell got into you today?Jason Miller,https://www.blogger.com/profile/03034226672257024583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-26586342153012392232010-04-01T11:54:41.362-05:002010-04-01T11:54:41.362-05:00Becoming one with deity is not a discipline. It...Becoming one with deity is not a discipline. It's a goal. <br /><br />I never stated that people should accomplish this goal through one method and one method alone. This is you putting words into my mouth. <br /><br />Since I myself use multiple methods, as you could see from my blog overall, your diatribe makes no sense at all and I am offended by your mischaracterization.Jason Miller,https://www.blogger.com/profile/03034226672257024583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-72700412678166832762010-04-01T11:44:43.184-05:002010-04-01T11:44:43.184-05:00Jason Miller, in his recent blog article (No Repla...Jason Miller, in his recent blog article (No Replacement for Meditation) in the blog Strategic Sorcery has stated that meditation is the core discipline in the practice of magick.<br /><br />No I did not. I absolutely did not. In fact I went out of my way to say that most magicians do NOT meditate regularly and still work magic. <br /><br />I said it was one of the core disciplines of magic as I teach it, and that people who claim that X can stand in for meditation are incorrect. <br /><br />I havent even read your full post yet, but had to comment because you represented me incorrectly right in the first statement!Jason Miller,https://www.blogger.com/profile/03034226672257024583noreply@blogger.com