tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post1447034850424099838..comments2024-02-20T09:54:37.105-06:00Comments on Talking About Ritual Magick: Paganicon 2011 - First Time A Great SuccessFrater.Barrabbashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11689013897789072360noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-56873630754952224292011-04-01T14:25:06.393-05:002011-04-01T14:25:06.393-05:00Hi there! I'm glad you had such a great time, ...Hi there! I'm glad you had such a great time, and we're definitely already looking forward to next year's plans. Would it be possible for me to link to this post from the Paganicon website, to give people an idea of what we're about? (You can also find a copy of John Michael Greer's keynote, as a number of people asked us to make it available, and he generously agreed.) <br /><br />I'll check back here, or you can drop me a note at jenett@gleewood.org .Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17858900273280626657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-86070392513913998452011-03-31T09:55:40.236-05:002011-03-31T09:55:40.236-05:00The logic behind this is that a system will always...<i>The logic behind this is that a system will always be changed, even after the force that did the changing has been removed</i>.<br /><br />That's true, but if you allow the conjured force to operate for a longer period of time you can increase the outcome of your probability shifts substantially when working with any system that follows the dynamics of chaos theory - that is, most natural systems.<br /><br /><i>Wrapping a Talisman signals that it is left unaffected by the banishings</i>.<br /><br />That holds up to my own experimentation as well. So my recommendation would be that if someone wants to use the LBRH as part of the opening and closing procedures for their rituals they should be sure to use talismanic anchors in this manner for all of their spells.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-83015047504154706062011-03-31T08:59:03.015-05:002011-03-31T08:59:03.015-05:00The standard protocol in the Golden Dawn tradition...The standard protocol in the Golden Dawn tradition generally opens and closes with the LBRP and LBRH. This is especially important with Planetary or Sephirotic forces invoked by the Greater Invoking Ritual following the initial LBRP and LBRH. <br /><br />It is always interesting to read how modern magicians deals and uses these rituals. I can understand the logic behind the LBRP and LIRH formula, although I would always insert a LBRH in between them, and also end with a repetition of the LBRP & LBRH. The pentagram is the symbol of the Microcosm while the Hexagram is that of the macrocosm.<br /><br />The reason for starting with banishings is to clear the working space from any undwanted Energies, both Elemental and Planetary. The reason for the closing banishings is to close the portals to these forces which, if left opened, could inflate the Sphere of Sensation (Aura / Energetic Body) in an uncontrolled manner. <br /><br />In Hermetic and Qabalistic Magic, according to the Golden Dawn Tradition, the Sphere of Sensation is infulsed and activated with the forces invoked during a short and set time frame. Even if you "shut down" the forces, this will still leave you with a charged and activated Sphere of Sensation; only the free flow from the realms of the invoked forces are hindered. The logic behind this is that a system will always be changed, even after the force that did the changing has been removed.<br /><br />The path of initiation is a steady and slow process of gradual unfoldment and development, like in alchemy. If you leave open the doors between the subtle planes and the manifest matter you risk serious strain both to the nervous system and finlating your psyche or ego.<br /><br />Regarding the effectiveness of spell effects who could be hampered, this is easily and technically solved with the use of Talismans, which are wrapped afterwards. Wrapping a Talisman signals that it is left unaffected by the banishings. <br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe,<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-3597109992357253442011-03-30T21:59:45.975-05:002011-03-30T21:59:45.975-05:00I do wish I saw more conventions covered in so muc...I do wish I saw more conventions covered in so much detail. Not as much as I wish there were a decent convention or two in my neck of the woods, though!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15009778570667265968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6817682567561164198.post-33647496513176273412011-03-30T19:33:15.625-05:002011-03-30T19:33:15.625-05:00I think that both of these perspectives are not on...<i>I think that both of these perspectives are not only valid, but describe this phenomenon in a different but complimentary manner</i>.<br /><br />I was thinking along the same lines earlier today that this simply represents the dual nature of the planets - sphere versus path. The sphere aspects represent states of consciousness and could certainly be viewed as archetypal, while the path aspects represent practical operations. My main problem with the idea that the planets are purely archetypal is that I don't really understand how an archetype can produce a probability shift on a bunch of lottery balls. My best experimental results for that are from working with the path of Jupiter.<br /><br />Starting rituals with the LBRP/LBRH isn't necessarily a big problem if you're (A) only doing one working at a time or (B) anchoring everything you conjure into talismans rather than binding them into your personal sphere of consciousness. It's closing with that combination that's a big problem because it shuts down the force you just set in motion. Also, it should not be part of your daily practice if you want your abilities to develop quickly and/or maintain any ongoing spell effects from day to day. As I recall Kraig recommends both of those, though I haven't looked at his book in a while.Scott Stenwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389664381513219613noreply@blogger.com